Is Trump a good president?

[kurai]

no

[shazza]

no

Okay, thanks.

[firepokemon]

Is Clinton better?

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uh

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no

[kurai]

i would guess that is something to do with the fact that, not being elected president, she does not have any of the duties or powers of the office of the president

[firepokemon]

Yes and she will not get the fuck over it. Nor will her delusional fans.

[kurai]

i'm not sure why it would matter what some entitled old lady thinks or how that has any bearing on the question at hand

[Zak]

I think the question he meant was 'would Clinton have been better'

(Spoiler:) still no

[shazza]

A good president? Probably not.

Better than Trump? Yes.

[shazza]

Is he good yet?

[Magmar]

not even a little bit

[kurai]

well, let's look at what has happened using the framework I laid out on page one in September 2017, outlining whether trump is A Good President without a particular partisan bias.

1) pulpit power & public relations, downward trend:
- newly revealed past controversies cause even more damage to the office as the chaos of the day to day continues to make it difficult for the president to stay on topic for more than 72 hours
- mueller investigation continues to gather speed

2) chief executive of the federal bureaucracy, downward trend:
- half of the cabinet is now under scrutiny for a wide variety of legal and ethical issues, most recently covering up for a wife beater and buying an expensive table

3) diplomatic figurehead, downward trend:
- 'trade wars are good and easy to win'

4) policy development, negotiation and coordination, neutral trend:
- he had one pretty big success on tax cuts whether or not you think that is Good Policy.
- this trend has to remain at least neutral until tomorrow when the focus on his DACA/immigration proposal failures continues, and everyone forgets about his gun control proposal failures...

5) preservation of the constitution and laws, severely downward trend:
- even for Trump, even within the last week, this issue has become more concerning than ever with kushner/ivanka scandals alongside contemplating 'president-for-life'

6) commander in chief, upward trend:
- the ISIS efforts seem to be a success, although it is not clear how much of this is trump himself.
- maybe making fun of rocket man was a good strategy.

overall not a positive trend in his presidency since 6 months ago

[Zak]

Loving this guy right now.

The Palestinian-sympathizer tears salt has been delicious

[Mikachu Yukitatsu]

I kinda understand you Zak, the 19th century-originated nationalism and Zionism are heavy things. This may go too deep to the ancient times, but I have read about the way God promised the land for Abraham, how Jacob's tribe left for Egypt for hunger, and how Moses left Egypt to take the Promised Land back. Across history, the Jews have been exiled from their land again and again.

However, Trump is doing this so fast. Is Jerusalem even a Jewish city originally? When Joshua came back, other nations had made shelter there.

[Mewfour]

Having called neo-nazis "Very fine people" should immediately produce a "no" response in any sane person.

I mean, how do you fuck that up? It's like fucking up answering 1 plus 1. It's 2, you know it's two, everyone and their dog knows it 2, it is quite possibly the easiest thing to know absolutley, a response that can be rattled off in your sleep.

And yet here America is, with a president that calls neo Nazis "very fine people."

So glad I'm Canadian. Yes, Justin says a lot of stupid shit on a near daily basis, but at least it's nowhere near "trade wars are easy to win" levels of absolute fucktardedness.

This is what happens when you don't vote.

[Zak]

I kinda understand you Zak, the 19th century-originated nationalism and Zionism are heavy things. This may go too deep to the ancient times, but I have read about the way God promised the land for Abraham, how Jacob's tribe left for Egypt for hunger, and how Moses left Egypt to take the Promised Land back. Across history, the Jews have been exiled from their land again and again.

However, Trump is doing this so fast. Is Jerusalem even a Jewish city originally? When Joshua came back, other nations had made shelter there.

This has absolutely nothing to do with religion. Just putting Hamas in their place.

[Zak]

Having called neo-nazis "Very fine people" should immediately produce a "no" response in any sane person.

I mean, how do you fuck that up? It's like fucking up answering 1 plus 1. It's 2, you know it's two, everyone and their dog knows it 2, it is quite possibly the easiest thing to know absolutley, a response that can be rattled off in your sleep.

And yet here America is, with a president that calls neo Nazis "very fine people."

So glad I'm Canadian. Yes, Justin says a lot of stupid shit on a near daily basis, but at least it's nowhere near "trade wars are easy to win" levels of absolute fucktardedness.

This is what happens when you don't vote.

Lolwhat

He never said that about people who actually self-identify as Neo Nazis and proudly sport swastika flags.

Unfortunately, modern-day leftists have grossly redefined the word to mean "anyone that strongly disagrees with me" and uses that as a way to make strawman points. He may have said that about people who fall into that category.

This is what it's come to.

[Mikachu Yukitatsu]

I bet you knew this already, but svastika's been stained by Hitler.

This discussion is hilarious to follow. It always gives me good laughs when I see Trump on television. His hand gestures are catchy.

[shazza]

I hope you can one day find inner peace and forgiveness, Zak.

[Zak]

Inner peace? I just said I was happy and ecstatic.

In fact I bumped this thread just to share that. Did you mean to say "I hope you find political correctness"?

In fact, gotta love the irony of someone using the "Nazi" argument for the millionth time right after he does Jews a favor.

But... thanks for the good wishes I guess!

[Zak]

Speaking of which, Shannon... Are you still by any chance in touch with Steelix, Sniper, or Fireblast? Out of curiosity would you happen to know what their take is on the Jerusalem embassy thing?

[Mikachu Yukitatsu]

BTW, neo-nazis don't even use svastikas, necessarily.

[Drago]

He never said that about people who actually self-identify as Neo Nazis and proudly sport swastika flags.

No, just the people who side with them.

[Mikachu Yukitatsu]

Hehe, The Simpsons predicted Trump's rise to power, and Naruto predicted the next Emperor of Japan. Naruhito.

[Zak]

No, just the people who side with them.

Like who though? What "very fine person" directly backed or sided with actual Neo Nazis or KKK members?

Also, speaking of backing violent hate groups... looks like we've reached the level of sympathizing with MS-13 gang members. Won't someone think of these people? We don't wanna hurt their feelings and call them animals... oh wait


It is very telling how many tears are being shed for these people over that comment.

[kurai]

you're spending a lot of time thinking about other people's tears

thank you for your sensitivity

[Zak]

You're welcome

[Zak]

http://wjla.com/news/local/police-ms...on-of-her-body

If your priority of concern is whether these people are being called "animals" then you seriously need to re-evaluate

[kurai]

President Donald Trump canceled his historic nuclear summit with Kim Jong Un on Thursday, accusing North Korea of "tremendous anger and open hostility."

The meeting, which would have marked the first face-to-face encounter between a sitting U.S. president and a North Korean leader, was set for June 12 in Singapore.

"Sadly, based on the tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it is inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting," Trump wrote in a letter to Kim, which was released Thursday morning. The president dictated every word of the letter himself, a senior White House official told reporters.

The senior White House official also said that North Korea had suspended direct communication with the U.S. over the past week.

fake accomplishments

[Mikachu Yukitatsu]

At least the guy is flexible because his opinions change every week

[Zak]

I knew they were dumb but not this dumb... lol criminal gangs are apparently a race now

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/23/mi...13-not-a-race/

[Oslo]

Uh, regardless of whether Huckabee's tweet was racist, it's pretty clear that nobody referenced in that article is suggesting that criminal gangs are a race. :|

[kurai]

while mr. huckabee has chosen to violate someone's copyright by reposting an image without attribution (!), this picture appears to depict some people of no particular conviction history but with a certain common denominator

[Zak]

So just now you're starting to care about 'reposting images' which people on the internet have been doing since the beginning of social media?

And their common denominator is being associated with this gang, regardless of conviction history.

You're grasping at straws dude, but any particular reason you seem to have compassion for this gang who rapes, murders, and mutilates children for sport - enough to go out of your way with these mental gymnastics? You seem very determined to paint them as 'victims' which is a bit disturbing.

[Zak]

Uh, regardless of whether Huckabee's tweet was racist, it's pretty clear that nobody referenced in that article is suggesting that criminal gangs are a race. :|

If you're crying racism over that tweet (which is already ridiculous in itself) then they're practically saying that since they should have no other logical reason to be upset over it, considering what it's about.

But hey, as fuck up as it is that they're looking the other way and sympathizing with them, I'm actually kind of glad they continue to embarrass themselves and run their party into the ground and pretty much solidify another four years of this guy.

[kurai]

the practice of reposting images is rather notable because it is the only actually questionable part of the whole situation and serves to undermine his own counter-argument

their common denominator is being representative of a latino gang, but since he is reposting someone else's image, who knows if any of these unidentified people from this unattributed picture are actual gang members? maybe this is from a film or television show, who could say? all we know is they are latino and apparently supposed to be looking frightening, which is what seems to be the trouble here

but the whole MS-13 thing is a misdirect anyway since it's a criminal organization founded in the united states: the focus on their organization in particular is a manipulative attempt to integrate the immigration messaging with a foundation of law and order along very specific racial and cultural grounds