Altering The One CC Rule And Return Of The Pokemon Avengers (Poll)

[Quicksilver62160]

Hey, I know I said I left TPM, but things have changed, including my mind, and I've decided to attempt a return to the forums. Along with my return I'm thinking of bringing back the original Capture Center, Pokemon Avengers.

Many of you might remember the Avengers, if you don't here's a slight history.

I started Pokemon Avengers in 2001 with Ampharos17 as a co-owner. At the time there was the Safari Zone, Mount Moon, and other such places but PA stood out. As the others failed PA continued to thrive. Slowly it became larger and better developed until it was inducted as an Adoption Center. The fourth center. I knew it didn't fit though, and when I became Mod here I created the first ever Capture Center category. Soon after I allowed other CC's to be built, but they failed miserably leaving Pokemon Avengers alone.

Finally some things happened and I left the forums and CCC was opened to "replace" the original. So now that I return I am not seeking to destroy CCC, or have it shut down, but call it a brother of Pokemon Avengers in a way.

For those of you who want to know more I'll tell you. Pokemon Avengers was the first official place where you could "Capture" a pokemon and keep it as an adoptie. It was outragous at first, people were against it but it slowly grew thanks to my hard efforts put into it. Finally I hired TML to help and she's still a faithful employee to this day.

Pokemon Avengers takes you on a tour of a world filled with Pokemon, with over thirty different places to explore on all seven continents. Each place has a certain percentage on how likely you are to find a pokemon there, and we even have special zones.

The Moon and Atlantis each have 13 or so and each of these have 100% of the each pokemon type (some of the less common are merged, like Ice and Dragon, Ghost and Dark). The walkthrough for it is amazing too, it's a vibrant world filled with amazing things, and spectacular forms of transportation.

Also, there is a huge storyline to the Avengers. We were originally created to combate the poachers who were wiping out the Pokemon of the world. Our original name was Pokemon Avegers: Race Against Extinction. But so much evil has risen in the Avenger world that it has become hard to deal with. Mortiegama is the newest most powerful evil to ever face the World, so as an Avenger it is your sole responsibility to combat him and his evil minions, save the remaining pokemon of the World, and follow the Avenger code.

So, here is the actual poll:

1) Do you think there should be two Capture Centers allowed in PCG?

2) Would you like to see Pokemon Avengers as the second center?

Note: I have support from Missing Link and Nala98, I need to talk to Lady Vulpix further about this. And I'm hoping that Pokemaster Frank, our most faithful Avenger, will also support our return.

Thanks for voting, and make it an Avenger vote!

[Knight of Time]

Nice poll QS62160.

I understand how much you want PA to return, too.

As for the polls:

1. Yeah, I wish that the PACC could return. Not that I want to offend Matt, Frank, Pokemaster Jay or Jay, but doesn't anyone think two would be better than one?

2. Yeah, although I won't be able to capture anymore Pokemon there. I've already reached my limit of 30 adopted and captured Pokemon.

[Sheik]

Sure, lets get it back. BTW, DPDK, I don't work at the CCCC.

QS, you might want to put a Poll: tag, or this might be closed.

1. I guess there could be another Capture Center, since there are two Adoption Centers.

2. I would like to see the Avengers put back up. Putting pokemon in real places across the world sounds neat, and I think it would make a good game. Sure, bring it back.

[The_Missing_Link]

Jay, Quick has a poll tag at the end of his title. That's his style when he makes polls


1) Sure. We have to modify a few of the rules but we can definitely work it out

2) Yup. I hate going over to BMG to ref. This is more convenient, since I am a PCG mod and all *tries to look cool but fails* ;-;

[pokemasterfrank]

1. Yeah. We have two adoption centers, why not two capture centers? Besides, supposedly, there is supposed to be three adoption centers, but there isn't one, so there is a slot to fill :o.

2. Of course. Avenger's was here when I came to TPM. :o I followed it to BMG, but its kinda hard to remember to post regularly when its at BMG :/. Plus its kinda slow over there. Not many people post :/.

[Sir Chris]

Well, since I was practically dragged into this topic *glares at QS*

I might we well vote my honest opinion =\

1. variety is never a bad thing, unless the variet y inself is horrible, that neing said, if someone were to come along with a mod approved variet, then it would most certainly be good. let us remember boys and girls, choices benefit only the people who make them.

2. I know Quickie, and if he wants to do this, he can make it great and enjoyable. So ya, I will like to see this up when I am actually into to this adoption and caputring stuff. Quickie should be the one to do it, he is a former mod and hell, its been aroun before, so its already established

~ Chris

[Jay]

One word QS

No.

[Gligar_Man]

my 2 most promissing tutoree students started a gamey thing together, awwww... so in a sence i own this! j/k... anywhos, i might be able to convince a17 to browse the boards again also...

and i say if it goes by the rules and whatnot why not give it another try?

[Dark Dragonite]

I don't think I would mind a second CC as long as they were getting along, and as for a 3rd AC, Pocket Monster's Breeding Center was the 3rd AC in my opinion, even though you can breed CC guys there as well.

[Aipom Of Doom]

Welcome back to TPM, Quick =). Yet another example of how no one can leave for long <_<.

Anyway, I suppose that having the Avengers back would work, as long as everyone got along about the stuff and such, and there's no trying to drive other places out of buisness so to speak. PA did pretty much define the history of CCs, so it would be appropriate for it to return...

The only problem would be lack of popularity of these topics =/. If only we could find some way to attract more people to Adopted/Captured pokemon everything would be great.

[Quicksilver62160]

I'm sure that Pokemon Avengers and Crystal Caves would work fine together, PA has always been user friendly. Echo Seekers, Galatic Pokerebels, they were previously built CC's, approved by myself, yet failed miserably. I do not see why PA would not be able to get along with CC though. Just things would have to be discussed.

As for attracting more people the only way I could see to possibly bring in more people would be to raise the Adoption/Capture limit to 20 or so. Five more pokes would mean that people could actually hold more in their team and I don't see why it would be so horrible.

Otherwise a possible branch to IRC, I'm working on Avenger Bots that will literally take you throug the Avenger World on command via IRC... kinda like the GSBot.

[Avian Freeze]

I think that PA and CC would get along fine, but the only problem is that they'll have competition, and one might die out as did the previous Capture Centers. But I don't see why PA couldn't come back. However, I think we should still keep CCPs as the currency or keep one main currency, cause we don't want Stamps, CCPs, AND APs.

About the raising to 20 Pokemon each. , 40 Pokemon would be way too hard to take care of. 30's a good limit already. I don't know how you would attract more players to Adopted and Captured Centers though .

[Jay]

Originally posted by Quicksilver62160

As for attracting more people the only way I could see to possibly bring in more people would be to raise the Adoption/Capture limit to 20 or so.

And that's why I said no. That is out of the question; As Tyler said, it is way too hard to take care of 35 pokémon if you have reached the quota of AP and CP

Your topic will bring Crystal Caves to closure in decreased inactivity, as well as yours. Then how many capture centers will there be?

ZERO

You decided to move to BMGf, so stay there

[Katie]

1. sure, why not? .-. tpm's a big place =o there's room for all ^_^
2. yeah, it's a familiar 'face' in pcg to me, it deserves to live again =D

~Katie

[Quicksilver62160]

Anyone else interested in voting before the final decision is made?

[Pichu]

1) Err... I don't care.

2) Probably not, cuz I get confused when things get complicated. Its already complicated already!

Therefore, I second Jay's opinion...

[Interpol HQ]

If we did make another CC it would have to be diffrent from CCCC, and not just in name. The players would need to do somthing other than run into them and catch them (no offense to CCCC, i like it a lot) but maybe take a quiz and be partnerd up with a pokemon and then go to the CCCC or one of the battle ranges. If there were two CC that were basically the same i doubt people would want to go to the new one on the grounds that CC has no real problems with it.

On the subject of bringing back PA just as it was, im gonna vote no.

[Lady Vulpix]

This subject is complicated and I don't have time right now, but I'll think about it and discuss it with the other mods when I can. It will be nice to see what everyone thinks. It can help me make up my mind, since for now I see as many reasons to say yes as reasons to say no.

[Jay]

Originally posted by Lady Vulpix
This subject is complicated and I don't have time right now, but I'll think about it and discuss it with the other mods when I can. It will be nice to see what everyone thinks. It can help me make up my mind, since for now I see as many reasons to say yes as reasons to say no.

Damn. That means I have to get on AIM

To add on to Himo, PCG has become a more differentive and semi-versitile environment since you left, QS. There'll need to be a new systematic way to set it up because it's going to become too much like the Crystal Caves.

If for some reason the vote passes, then I'm going to absolutely disapprove the idea of you posting it right away. What about others who wanted to post Capture Center's or similarities to it? Last time the thread to post exterior ideas about a new capture center was a big flunk as Matt was the only one to give a suggestion, but it's been a big success and it was a long time ago. People who did not get a chance may be able to post in the application tower.

All together, it'll get too complicated, as what Cyndaquil said.

[Sir Chris]

Well, I could help ya QS, is this gets passed, I aint good at handling stuff, but I am good at setting stuff up and making it different from CCCC completely, no offense to cccc, but I have no life thus I could think about this subject for days at a time, and come up with the most ingenius plans ever, KEKEKKEKE, er anyway, lets see if this is actually going to pass a vote of somesort =x!

~ Chris

[Quicksilver62160]

PA was the original Capture Center so you don't have to worry about it being the same as CCCC. No other CC will ever match what PA was. But there are differences in storyline too, and how everything is actually done. PA has a much more advanced system (we are over 2 years old), and an amazing storyline behind it.

I've written an entire myth on the main character Steve, or Isilbane as he was called over a millenium ago and how he went from a baby to leader of the Avengers. Then it spances the great war where Dragon Tamers and Pokemon Avengers teamed together to take on the wrath of Resomegnis and Archimonde (or Sauron depending on the version). And the final battle between them.

Right now there is an ever stronger story line, where the Avengers have allied with their long time adversaries the Poachers, who originally were the bad guys and were killing off pokemon. That's how we started, Countdown to Extinction, the Avengers were there to prevent the extinction of pokemon by the hands of the Poachers. Now the Avengers are in their darkest chapter, against an enemy stronger then any they've faced before. Here's the prolouge for it:

"In an age where magic has been replaced by technology, when a world at war has become a united nation of peace, prosperity reigns above all. Just as quickly as Resomegnis was destroyed by Isilfor however, was a new evil realized in the world, a greater evil in the world... one more powerful then Resomegnis could ever fathom. Can you feel it? The quickening of your pulse? The rapid beating of you heart? The sweat pouring off your face... he's coming, and this time evil is holding nothing back! In the epic final story of the great Avenger saga, the last chapter before the finale arises an evil so powerful has come that it could wipe out the entire planet. This evil has a name, Mortiegama... the death brining king, but there is more to him that a name... his true identity will be the biggest twist the Avenger's have ever seen. Bigger then the day Steve revealed himself to be the over a millenium old hero named Isilbane, bigger then the discovery of Grifor the Griffin Beast, and bigger then the cataclismic fusion of Isilbane and Grifor to form Isilfor. This is a secret that will tear the Avengers apart, everythign that they once stood for, everything that they fought for, all of it will be a lie. The time is coming when an oppressed world must rise from the tides of defeat, and a legendary hero must take the next step to greatnes.......... welcome to the Avenger Games.... The Wrath of Mortiegama..... he's coming."

But Mortiegama isn't alone. Along with him he has several minions:

Group: Shadow Stalkers:

Shadow Wraith- Most powerful, cloaked in black

Phaetarius or Phaeton Messuarius (Electric Death-Reaper)- Second most powerful, cloaked in orangish-yellow

Volcanus (Magma Wraith)- Third most powerful, cloaked in red

Vipereus Furia (Dragon's Spirit)- Fourth most powerful, cloaked in bluish-white

Terra Phasma (Earth Phantom)- Fifth most powerful, cloaked in greenish-brown

Aqua Spiritus (Water Spirit)- Sixth most powerful, cloaked in blue

Herbaticus Ungo (Grass Poisoner)- Seventh most powerful, cloaked in dark green

The creatures listed above are the interactive part of the Avenger storyline. While you try to capture pokes, you will run into these guys, and it gets pretty intense. You will have help, and situations where you'll get past them, but they're scary. Well, I think I've proven my point on how PA is much different from CCCC.

As for the confusing part, 2 AC's isn't confusing, why would 2 CC's be?

[Aipom Of Doom]

Why is everyone saying how different PA and the CC have to be? The DT and Pokezoo adoption centers are similar in just about every way, and are much closer than PA and CC will ever be... why does everyone make such a big deal out of how different the capture centers have to be? And aside from the capture center topics, the subtopics from CC and PA are very different (though we would need to merge them; two battle ranges and two stores for CC pokemon would be too much.)


Anyway, wherever the idea of 20 captured Pokemon came from, I'll have to say absolutely not for that. AC has done well with a 15-Pokemon limit for a long time, even when there were up to four adoption centers at once. Increasing the 15-pokemon limit in general for either Adoption Centers or Capture Centers is a bad idea.

[pokemasterfrank]

I can see a few things that make PA and CCCC quite different. Sure, they both capture Pokemon (but Pokezoo and DT both allow you adopt Pokemon in the same system).

1. CCCC allows you to use Pokemon to capture other Pokemon. PA has that no damaging moves, but trapping/status effect moves are allowed.

2. Well...I guess only one reason ^_^;;

*walks off*

[Dark Dragonite]

Originally posted by Aipom Of Doom
Why is everyone saying how different PA and the CC have to be? The DT and Pokezoo adoption centers are similar in just about every way, and are much closer than PA and CC will ever be... why does everyone make such a big deal out of how different the capture centers have to be? And aside from the capture center topics, the subtopics from CC and PA are very different (though we would need to merge them; two battle ranges and two stores for CC pokemon would be too much.)


Anyway, wherever the idea of 20 captured Pokemon came from, I'll have to say absolutely not for that. AC has done well with a 15-Pokemon limit for a long time, even when there were up to four adoption centers at once. Increasing the 15-pokemon limit in general for either Adoption Centers or Capture Centers is a bad idea.

To the first part, this is a similar problem we face as humans, this is also how wars start, we can't seem to get along...

To the Second, I agree to that 20 may be pushig it, but also, 15 means a lot of abandoning, and at some point, very little activity to CC and AC places. Maybe find middle ground at 16-18??

[Aipom Of Doom]

Originally posted by Dark Dragonite
To the Second, I agree to that 20 may be pushig it, but also, 15 means a lot of abandoning, and at some point, very little activity to CC and AC places. Maybe find middle ground at 16-18??

Nah, I think 15 is good, and actually it would probably be better with fewer (10 or so... but that won't happen since too many people already have 15 and aren't going to give up any). There just isn't enough opportunity to do stuff with your Pokemon. Scenarios at the battle range are staying active way too long; it's getting to be that new scenerios come around once a month, and therefore it would take 8 months (!) to have each of your 15 Pokemon battle once. The stuff is just too slow-paced for having any more (and for the current amount of Pokemon we have now at that).

As for 15 being a lot of abandoning, that's brought on only by people who can't be a bit patient and wait for what they really want and instead get and release Pokemon like its nothing... And yes, when people reach 15 the AC and CC places will lose thier buisness. But that will happen whatever the limit is; people will always end up filling up thier teams, releasing pokemon left and right, etc.

[/end off-topic rant] <_<. Anyway, I guess the only real idea I got across with that is that new Battle Range scenarios should be posted more often. Even if it means that not everyone can post for every scenario. I'd think that posting a new one every 3 weeks would be a start...

[Jay]

Originally posted by Dark Dragonite

To the Second, I agree to that 20 may be pushig it, but also, 15 means a lot of abandoning, and at some point, very little activity to CC and AC places. Maybe find middle ground at 16-18??

The intelligible enigma many don't seem to realize is that a lot of people have filled up their limit of 15 maximum captees, or very close to. In order to be able to capture at the Pokémon Avengers C. C. would mean excessive abandoning of creatures you once majestically caught; and most likely without a rationale. Raising the quota would be perplexed enough, as it will be for both centers.

Another big problem is the currency. Do you all know what CCP means? It is solely directed to the Crystal Caves. Of course I can see QS debating over reviving the Avenger Points (APs), but three currencies is too laborious to regulate.

In order for this to be a flourishing enterprise, Avengers needs an exhaustively new game plan than what they momentarily have to propose or cooperate very keenly with the Crystal Caves, which I cannot see being systematic.

As for the confusing part, 2 AC's isn't confusing, why would 2 CC's be?

You appear to be inadequate to ascertain my notion clear enough; there isn’t anything radically faithless or complicated with maintaining an additional capture center at PCG, it’s the complexes that will later arise with both of them. It will produce friction with every known possible reason to be to go wrong that you are clearly yet to see.

[The_Missing_Link]

Actually, I don't see why not PA and CC wouldn't cooperate. As in the past, other capture centers were in competition against Avengers and friction had never arised although the other CC's never lasted long enough to produce actual friction ^^;

I admit, this could be complicated to work out but I'm game for it, as is QS and the majority of the people who replied to this poll. The currency shouldn't be a big deal. There can be an agreement on one type of currency. As for the 15 CP rule, I don't think we should change the amount you can have but we can figure something out

[Aipom Of Doom]

Originally posted by Jay
Another big problem is the currency. Do you all know what CCP means? It is solely directed to the Crystal Caves. Of course I can see QS debating over reviving the Avenger Points (APs), but three currencies is too laborious to.

I thought they were Capture Center Points?

From Gabi in the Capture Center contest
The winner will also be able to choose co-workers and give out CC Points (Avenger Points will be changed into more general CC points -after discussing the amounts and ways of giving them out with a PCG mod-, since they are now given out and used outside of Pokemon Avengers; of course, everyone can keep and use the ones they already have).

[Jay]

Originally posted by Aipom Of Doom
I thought they were Capture Center Points?

Knowing QS he will want to get APs implemented back as much as possible.

[The_Missing_Link]

Originally posted by Jay
Knowing QS he will want to get APs implemented back as much as possible.

I believe I know QS better and know that he wouldn't screw around with an accomodating rule like that --;

[Jay]

Oh? Did you expect him to barge in here at a random time thinking he could do whatever? I don't think so

[The_Missing_Link]

Barge in whenever? He asked Gabi if he could post PA but he misunderstood her about something (I forgot what) and posted things prematurely. Of course you have to understand that he hasn't been at PCG in a couple of months and didn't know things had changed. I informed him of things though so he's being reasonable about it

And I don't see why you're making things difficult. When other capture centers were out, we were apprehensive about competition but didn't make a big deal about it. We kept doing what we were doing and we persevered through it to remain dominant. Now, I see why you can be a bit miffed about this but definitely not hostile. I mean, you're not even working with us on trying to make it work out

[Jay]

Check throughout the posts he has made. I can see much confidence and 100% certainty that this will be approved here at PCG; almost like he is ready to post it. T_M_L, that is not how things work around here. We happen to do something called 'thinking ahead'. I must admit, it sounded a nice idea to me at first, but I saw the problems coming and I think it will be a bad idea.

Unfortunately (?) I am yet to see a reason why it should be posted. Everyone who approved the idea is just saying it would be a nice idea because two capture centers sounds 'cool'. Well, new games sound 'cool' too, but not all of them can be approved either.

In a nut shell, i'm basically pointing out the problems that will arise; I'm certainly not making things overly hostile, as much as you may think.

[The_Missing_Link]

Actually, he's not overconfident. I was the overconfident one and told him at BMG that we should tell the customers that we would be moving back to TPM but he said he's not sure if this would be approved or not. Mistake on my part but I didn't know until I saw why it could be disapproved

As for the reasons why, there weren't any real reasons as to why other CC's were made when PA was the main CC but they were allowed to be made. The reason PA should be back, it's an old CC that had many customers that would like to see it back. It was and will always be a mainstay in which QS and I want people to enjoy and I know they will


And yes, you spelled unfortunately right. And call me Rebecca or TML in the future. I hate T_M_L. Too tedious to type out

[Interpol HQ]

So who has the final say whether or not it gets re-opened?

[The_Missing_Link]

The mods and I think the owners of Crystal Caves, which is Link 10 and pokemasterfrank. Of course QS and possibly the workers of CC will have input as well

[Sir Chris]

Ya know ^_^;, I don't want to sound a bit silly and all, but maybe the other CC and people with them don't want PA back :X! I mean, it was so dominating in the past, that would mess up their whole little world and such, could just be me though...afraid of the big dog coming back and taking its yard back, prolly not it, but I thought I would add that.

also, making a forum coplicated it ok, we arent all idiots who cant figure things out :O

~ Chris

[The_Missing_Link]

Of course competition plays a part in this sort of thing. I don't know if the Crystal Caves people feel that way but I certainly felt competitive when other CC's were made. Competition can play a big part. Can we beat the veteran CC by doing as well as them? The decision could be affected by that

I'm not acting as head here but if this does get approved, we'd appreciate the customer's input on how this could be run smoother

[Dark Dragonite]

I've always thought that PA's biggest rival always was, and always will be Dragon tamers. I have my reasons, and I don't recall PA ever doing anything to push out a fellow CC, they died on their own.

[Aipom Of Doom]

For whoever's wondering how the Crystal Caves owners/workers feel about it, by my quick count we have one for (Frank) two against (Jay and Matt) and one neutral (me). So the opinion from us is pretty much split =/.